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Who OEM's Security Camera Warehouse Cameras And NVR?

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Joseph Marotta
May 03, 2019
IPVMU Certified

Who actually manufacturers the cameras and NVRs for Security Camera Warehouse (SCW)? They would not reveal the name of their manufacturer to me. Maybe someone here can tell based on these product pictures? They don't have a list of supported camera manufacturers for their NVR, it just supports ONVIF profiles. Interestingly, the ONVIF website doesn't list any SCW cameras as ONVIF conforming. Maybe the website is not up to date? Here's also a pic of their VMS screen from their start-up guide.  Any info you can provide me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

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Joseph Marotta
May 03, 2019
IPVMU Certified

Thank you.

Honestly, I checked both the Hikvision and Dahua OEM lists before posting here! Not sure how I missed their name on the Hik list!

Is this NVR also an OEM by Hikvision?

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 04, 2019

Hi Joseph, 

I'm the CEO of SCW. Companies like mine sign Non-Disclosure contracts with our manufacturing partners that prevent us from revealing to you who they are.

These non-disclosure do not exist for the OEM's benefit. We're not trying to hide who we use and would rather reveal as much as possible. The non-disclosure clauses exist to limit the amount of "branded" products that you can find online, as to protect the margins of integrators, who don't have the benefits of scale that an online company can achieve.

OEMs have traditionally pushed the margins lower and forced integrators to compete with "low online prices." SCW has a different business model than that, where we try to aim for mostly middle of the road prices and incredible service and support.

We also face many of the same issues as our manufacturing partners because we have all three portions of our business: online retail, our own installation branch (which we use to create our upcoming "electrician in residence" and current "installer portal" series of guides), and our "Trusted Installer Program." The major companies that we compete with in the online space are largely unprofitable, and exist to either dump products for the major manufacturers or rely on investment capital to scale into profitability. So, we can empathise with how integrators are being squeezed by extremely low margins.

Unlike what this thread says, we don't use Hikvision anymore, although we have used them in the past and do still carry some products for warranty purposes. Although IPVM is clearly biased about Hikua and sometimes outright racist against the Chinese, we did find their reports about Hikvision ownership very helpful in revealing to us some issues that we could not have determined ourselves. IPVM's reporting is largely why we switched.

I'm sure that the sluths at IPVM will gladly let you know who we work with currently (hint: that partner used to be owned by a former US presidential candidate's company), but, legally, my team and I can't reveal that to you without breaking the terms of our agreements. If you look at https://www.security-camera-warehouse.com/decoding/rtsp/ you can also figure it out by looking at API structures of our devices versus the other know manufacturers that we list.

We also are not a strict "relabeler" as IPVM sometimes calls US companies who work with hardware partners, as our CMS is 100% created in house. 

 

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John Honovich
May 04, 2019
IPVM

Although IPVM is clearly biased and sometimes outright racist

No, our issue is with the China Communist Party. China Communist Party ≠ Chinese. It's racist for you to conflate the two. Did you realize that?

As I addressed here, to quote myself:

However, there are tens of millions of free Chinese living in democratic nations such as Canada, Taiwan, and the United States. The issue is not with the Chinese, it is with the China Communist Party.

For example, why does Taiwan have a ban on Huawei and ZTE network equipment? Are they 'racist' against themselves or do they distrust the China Communist Party?

And why is no one, including the US, trying to ban Taiwanese companies? Are they not Chinese?

As for his supplier:

that partner used to be owned by former US presidential candidates company

He means Uniview.

Companies like mine sign Non-Disclosure contracts with our manufacturing partners that prevent us from revealing to you who they are.

Uniview wants to legally block you from saying they are your supplier? That would be exceptional. Typically, it is companies like yourself that want the non-disclosure.

as our CMS is 100% created in house

Good to see. When will it be out of beta?

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 04, 2019

[removed] wants to legally block you from saying they are your supplier? That would be exceptional. Typically, it is companies like yourself that want the non-disclosure.

Yes. We did not request the non-disclosure. It was requested of us to protect integrators. This has been true of every partner we have used in the past.

No, our issue is with the China Communist Party. China Communist Party ≠ Chinese. It's racist for you to conflate the two. Did you realize that?

I'm glad that you agree that conflating "The Chinese" and "The Chinese Communist Party" is racism; we agree there. I do think you need to look at bit more at posts titles where you say "The Chinese," when you mean "The Chinese Government." To many people, especially younger people, this comes across like saying "The Jews." I also don't think this is that this is necessarily intentional, for the record, but it still comes across tremendously cringey. 

Also, as you guys have gained prominence with larger media, some policing of your comments would be a good PR move. The most offending stuff is usually in the comments. 

And why is no one, including the US, trying to ban Taiwanese companies? Are they not Chinese?

Taiwanese nationality is a tremendously complicated issue. Official US policy considers Taiwan a separate country. In China, Taiwan is considered part of China, like the way that Puerto Rico is part of America.This is the exact same scenario that Tibet is in, simultaneously recognized and not-recognized. "Chinese" in America is used as an ethnicity, but it is really a nationality. Han or Hanzu is the ethnicity that most Americans mean by "Chinese." 

In Taiwan some people and political parties are pro-integration and some are fiercely non-independant - one Taiwanese partner of ours talked about how his family was butchered by "the Chinese government" and so he never wanted to be called "Chinese." It is probably best to respect individual choices there on how they see themselves and what they want to be called.

Good to see. When will [the Windows/Mac CMS] be out of beta?

PC should be out of beta in two releases - so, probably 2-3 weeks. It currently supports the Hikvision API, Uniview API, ONVIF, and RTSP. I think Mac should be at the same timeline, but I'm not totally sure.

The next release should, absent a game-breaking bug, launch this upcoming week. It includes multiple monitors support and "breakout + dockable" component UI configurations (think Adobe Photoshop style menus). 

The release after that will be security signed through the Windows and Mac App Stores. At this point, I believe that we will stop referring to it as Beta / Alpha for Mac + PC.

We have already received requests to include the Axis and Dahua APIs, and also have slated to include several others, but much later in our development timelines. This will be the free part of the freemium product.

The paid portions of the product will include machine learning algorithms for objects, actions, and owner (only) faces (we want to protect privacy, while eliminating useless alerts), video search, cloud storage, an incident reporting and mass communication tool, and the ability to view footage without opening ports. These will be paid subscription cloud-based features.

Good to see. When will [the iOS / Android CMS] be out of beta?

iOS should launch in about a month or so, again absent any game breaking bugs. Android is 3-4 months out.

Good to see. When will [the Linux CMS] be out of beta?

Linux won't be considered out of beta until this software becomes an OS, so that it can replace our NVRs or be loaded on our upcoming analytics servers or HDMI viewstation/decoders. All of which will be using our own hardware - not those of any current partners, although we wouldn't mind using them if they meet our requests for root-level linux control. I expect analytics servers and viewstation/decoders  to be somewhere in the 9 months to 1 year timeline.

We currently looking for recommendations on POE NVR hardware sources that will allow us root-level linux control. To be honest, we're not really getting anywhere on finding non-Hisilcon POE NVR sources, if you know of any. 

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May 04, 2019

"I do think you need to look at bit more at posts titles where you say "The Chinese," when you mean "The Chinese Government."

find one as an example please - I couldn't find any IPVM post titles with "The Chinese" in it.  Can you?

To many people, especially younger people, this comes across like saying "The Jews."

this statement is patently ridiculous. "The Chinese" simply means 'from China' and is not an ethnic/religious pejorative - unlike your comparative example of "The Jews" which absolutely is.

"Chinese" in America is used as an ethnicity, but it is really a nationality. Han or Hanzu is the ethnicity that most Americans mean by "Chinese."

disagree with this unsupported premise.

Most Americans wouldn't know Han from Hanzu... so exactly how can we use "Chinese" as an ethnicity while simultaneously being unaware of same?

In my experience, 'most Americans' use Chinese as a nationality (as you mention it is).

 

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 04, 2019

find one as an example please

So, I get to eat a little crow here on "The Chinese" claim. Looks like IPVM deleted that post after Victor Wang, CEO of Airship, complained. You can in that thread that IPVM deleted the post and apologized for the racism.

On a larger note, any use of a nationality or ethnicity as an insult isn't ok anymore. Here's some examples of that in post titles:

Chinese OEM Avycon Gets ADI Push
Honeywell Hides Selling US Gov Banned Chinese Video Surveillance
Testing $29 ONVIF IR IP Chinese Camera
If the thing that really offends IPVM is the Chinese Communist party, what exactly did any of these companies do wrong? Why is "Chinese" being used to scaremonger? None of them are connected with the government. At no point was the use of the Chinese flag needed or necessary, or are we asserting that the 3 or 4 guys running Anycon is somehow politically connected?

Honestly, all of these posts would be more accurate and more informative, with less race-based titles, such as:

TVT OEM Anycon Gets ADI Push
Dahua OEM Honeywell Hides Selling US Gov Banned Video Surveillance
Testing $29 ONVIF IR IP Woodsee Camera

 

 

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May 04, 2019

ok, two things.

one - my closing comment in my previous post about how Americans see a Chinese person not as an ethnicity but as a nationality is still correct - while also being wrong because I now think that I was refuting something you didn't say at all.  I believe I got a little bit over my skis on that one...

after re-reading that part of your comment I think I get your point now - that it is the Han and Hanzu ethnic Chinese that most Americans would label 'Chinese' (visually) - vs Tibetans or Uyghurs or other 'ethnic' minorities that look different - who are just as Chinese as a Han or Hanzu ethnic Chinese person.  I agree with that, so I retract my previous scathing rebuttal to that one point. 

two - I read this last post of yours multiple times - to make sure I got your point.

Which appears to be that you think that using the adjective 'Chinese' in front of any noun is intended as an insult?

I think you might be a little bit over your skis on this one dude...

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 04, 2019

Which appears to be that you think that using the adjective 'Chinese' in front of any noun is intended as an insult?

American companies always get names. Korean companies always get names. If replacing "Wodsee" with "Chinese" isn't an attempt at a "red scare," I don't know what the reason for replacing their name would be.

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John Honovich
May 05, 2019
IPVM

If replacing "Wodsee" with "Chinese" isn't an attempt at a "red scare," I don't know what the reason for replacing their name would be.

There is a simpler rationale. Wodsee is not a well-known company, not in 2014 when we wrote the article nor today. The choice of Chinese was that it was a bigger 'brand'. Also, the title is neutral, i.e., Testing $29 ONVIF IR IP Chinese Camera and it was posted in 2014 before there was any trade war or other conflict.

As for the other two articles, Chinese was chosen for Avycon since they are an American company who had been claiming to have Korean suppliers, so the emphasis on Chinese was to make clear who their true source was. Likewise, for the US government ban article, the ban is specifically on Chinese products, i.e., not the 'Chinese people' but the Chinese government / CPC.

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May 05, 2019

so at least I was right - you do think this.

I do not disagree with you that 'Chinese manufacturer' is used more frequently as a descriptor than manufacturers from other countries...- Axis rarely (if ever) is referred to as a Swedish camera manufacturer.

but I think our perceptions on why 'Chinese' is used more commonly as a descriptor here differs.

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 04, 2019

I just wanted to reply to my own comment to correct an error here. John had sent me a private email explaining "The Chinese" situation. He said that it was a commentator not a post that was removed.  I must have misunderstood the situation. 

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thomas worthington
May 05, 2019
Kings III of America

We all know IPVM has a bias against China and is pro tarrifs

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John Honovich
May 05, 2019
IPVM

Thomas, are you aware that China (PRC) has 17% tariffs against US and other foreign made video surveillance for many years? Even the 10% the US has added on just some video surveillance products is still far less than what China has done for years.

Do you believe it is fair that China does this? Are for 'pro' that?

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 06, 2019

Intentionally falling down and skinning your own knee because your competitor just did so, isn't fairness. It's stupidity. 

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John Honovich
May 06, 2019
IPVM

China is not intentionally falling down. They're intentionally blocking out other kids from eating their candy while they take other's candy.

You see it differently because you are the one making money off of China's policy but all the non-China manufacturers (and their employees) who are harmed by this are the ones who lose.

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 06, 2019

China is not intentionally falling down. They're intentionally blocking out other kids from eating their candy while they take other's candy.


I don't think you guys really do enough homework here.

(1) Current US manufacturers aren't going to sell in China; not at scale, anyways. US electronics companies don't make products that are downmarket enough for the majority of the developing world. US goods sold in China, like all of the developing world, are primarily luxury or enterprise goods. Just look at how KFC is marketed in China. A 17% tariff on luxury goods can be absorbed without affecting demand too heavily because the person who is buying a luxury or enterprise good has money. Additionally, the margins of the distributor/retailer/manufacturer of luxury goods are already high enough to absorb a tariff - at least in the near term. A tariff on low end products, on the other must be passed on to the consumer. Products sold in Walmart don't have enough margin to support a 10% tariff, the person who pay is the consumer.

(2) Hikvision made 6 of its 7 billion last year from sales in China. Even if zero units shipped out of China, Hikvision will still be one of the most dominant players in security camera systems from Chinese sales alone - and zero units can't be achieve unless we get the whole world on board, which we have failed to do.

(3) A tariff just won't can't be as nimble as you want it to be. Most of the companies that I deal with are talking about setting up manufacturing plants in Vietnam and Thailand to make sure that the tariffs don't affect them in the future. 

(4) Even if the US could get the entire rest of the world on board with a massive tariff against Chinese goods, China could just increase the Made in China 2020 subsidy to overcome the tariff. If you want to bring manufacturing back, don't call for a tariff, call for a general electronics subsidy. You're right that US manufacturing is competing in an unfair marketplace, but your solution isn't going to help. If we want manufacturing to come back, we just need the political will to subsidize it. You can't defeat a subsidy with a tariff. You can only fight a subsidy with your own subsidy. 

You see it differently because you are the one making money off of China's policy

This is also not true. The tariffs are going to help SCW, not hurt us. My self-interest would be to root for them, at least in the short term. Here's why:

(1) We've already taken steps on the supply side to insure that we are insulated from too much of the potential damage from the tariffs. We've also setup revenue diversity on the product side by carrying some non-tariffed alarm products. I believe that we won't necessarily have to raise prices for some time.

(2) Our customer service and support focus means that our client base isn't that price conscious to begin with. Our clients know that they can get security cameras cheaper, they come to us for our service, technical support, and company culture. Direct quote from that page: "Here at SCW, we're known for our customer service and technical support. We even like to say internally that our core product isn't security cameras, it's support!"

(3) This is going to drive some smaller online retailers and distributors out of business, but SCW won't be one of them. I know of, but cannot reveal because of NDAs, 4 companies in the OEM space that are struggling to maintain profitability and pay bills now. These companies won't be able to compete if Friday's 25% tariff goes into effect. It will be a different world with 25% higher costs. Few competitors and less of a price gap (since we won't have to raise prices) will mean that SCW would actually benefit from this.

(4) Even if the space doesn't shed competitors, the gap between our prices and these low price OEMs should shorten about the same time that we launch an additional a third and fourth source of revenue. The margins on products matter less when you sell services.

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John Honovich
May 07, 2019
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Current US manufacturers aren't going to sell in China; not at scale, anyways. US electronics companies don't make products that are downmarket enough for the majority of the developing world

China has the biggest video surveillance systems in the world and the most pressing demand. Despite that, companies like Avigilon, Axis, Genetec and Milestone are effectively shut out of the China market, with less than 1% of China sales. It's not because they can't make good enough products or the products are not worth it, the Chinese government's protection policies block them out.

If you want to bring manufacturing back

It's not about bringing manufacturing back to any specific place, it's about a fair world market. China's market has been grossly unfair for years.

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thomas worthington
May 07, 2019
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Americans pay for the tariffs, not China.  How is that Fair John? If China paid for the Tariffs, then you may have a point.

I think you do not understand how Tariffs Work. 

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thomas worthington
May 07, 2019
Kings III of America

John:

Once again, you ignore the consumer, and for every "non-china" manufacture, there are 1000 CCTV and security companies in the USA that employ US citizens.  So when Tariffs are placed on security goods, it hurts Americans.  Again, you act as if China pays for the Tariffs. 

With your rationale, why no add more Tariffs, 50%, 60% ?  What will "level the Playing field"?

 

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John Honovich
May 07, 2019
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So when Tariffs are placed on security goods, it hurts Americans. Again, you act as if China pays for the Tariffs.

Thomas, so if tariffs are so bad, why does China have such high tariffs against foreign manufacturers?

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thomas worthington
May 07, 2019
Kings III of America

Who cares what China does, it only hurts Chinese citizens.  Many countries, including European ones, exercise tariffs on US products.  It is called protectionism.

Once again, you won't address why you are for Americans paying the US federal government taxes for products they voluntarily decide to buy.

Once again, you fail to realize that American consumers and American Security installers get hurt when Tariffs are placed on products used for installation. 

I guess you place a priority on Security manufactures of European and Japanese origins over American workers, Security installers, and American Consumers.

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John Honovich
May 07, 2019
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Who cares what China does, it only hurts Chinese citizens

No, if one large country has high tariffs and another large country does not, the country with the high tariffs net wins.

I understand your point that in any country there are individual winners and losers. But, overall, protectionism is a financial net benefit if you can pull it off while other countries remain open.

You say 'it only hurts Chinse citizens' which is clearly wrong because their protectionism has fueled multiple billion companies just in video surveillance. And it is not just the manufacturers that make money, it is all the local companies that supply them and all the business and people that those workers pay.

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thomas worthington
May 07, 2019
Kings III of America

 You must be ecstatic that Trump is raising tariffs to 25%. 

Your basic view on economics is troubling.  You again fail to understand it is Americans paying for these "Tariffs on China".  So how again is this hurting China?  Do you at least agree that it is Americans paying these taxes/tariffs?  (you keep avoiding this point). 

If you are for Americans paying taxes to the US gov't for imported goods then I have no come back. Lets just agree to disagree. 

 

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John Honovich
May 07, 2019
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Thomas, I am not 'ecstatic' and it is not even certain Trump will raise to 25% or if he is bluffing / negotiating.

More fundamentally, I think it would be better if it never came to this. But something needs to be done about China's fundamentally unfair practices.

One of the benefits of the US retaliating with tariffs is that it is motivating companies to move manufacturing outside of China (Vietnam, Mexico, etc.). That is better for cybersecurity and diminishing dependence on a country (the PRC) whose politics and practices are fundamentally averse to the free world.

Related: Many Firms Moving Manufacturing Out Of China, Says Reuters And China Focused Law Firm

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thomas worthington
May 07, 2019
Kings III of America

You can "punish" China without taxing Americans.  Targeting Unfair practices is one thing and I have no issues with that. 

Taxing Americans makes no sense.  This only hurts Americans not the Chinese.

 

Great talking John.  It is fun.

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John Honovich
May 07, 2019
IPVM

Targeting Unfair practices is one thing and I have no issues with that.

That is the challenge in dealing with such things. What are the best ways to do it? I don't know.

I will say one thing that has already helped is simply making it clearer to the public the problems faced. Whether or not the tariffs ever go to 25%, this whole process has made the underlying issues much better and more broadly understood.

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 07, 2019

John, what happens when it is Chinese Government backed companies that are willing to move out of China? 

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Sean Nelson
May 07, 2019

I dont think China's protectionism has much to do with their growth. I think their pro-business incentives such as subsidies and low to no interest loans with incredible pay-back terms have more to do with it. Taxing/protectionism inhibits behaivor. Incentives, well "incentivize" behaivor.

Its proven that the 10% tariffs have not affected buying behaivor from China at all. It was a weak bluff. I think the 25% tariff will possibly affect buying behaivor but in the short term meantime will have detrimental effects on the economy. I cant say for long term if it will be a benefit or a detriment. 

I think the tariffs are stupid (we can be more creative), but if you are going to tariff, may as well do it at a rate that will cause some effect. 25% will do it. I guess it just depends on what mood Trump wakes up in on Friday.

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 07, 2019

I dont think China's protectionism has much to do with their growth. I think their pro-business incentives such as subsidies and low to no interest loans with incredible pay-back terms have more to do with it. Taxing/protectionism inhibits behaivor. Incentives, well "incentivize" behaivor.


Couldn't agree more, Sean. Except for the spelling of behavior :)

When you can raise massive capital through your government and when the government will subsidize part of the cost, it is hard to lose.  Of course, China is being unfair, but you can't defeat the Made in China 2025 policy through tariffs. 

Placing tariffs on elastic goods is like holding a knife to your own throat in a gun fight.

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John Honovich
May 07, 2019
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Its proven that the 10% tariffs have not affected buying behaivor from China at all.

Do you mean American buying Chinese products? Not clear what 'from China' is referring to?

It's definitely impacted Western manufacturers moving out of China, all sides agree, e.g. Many Firms Moving Manufacturing Out Of China, Says Reuters And China Focused Law Firm

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Sean Nelson
May 07, 2019

Do you mean American buying Chinese products? Not clear what 'from China' is referring to?

Yes

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 07, 2019

But, overall, protectionism is a financial net benefit if you can pull it off while other countries remain open.

The vast majority of economists disagree with this statement. Free trade creates financial benefits. Protection hurts those who impose it.

But, let's focus on where we agree:

1. Made in China 2020's subsidies are market distorting and unfair.

2. China's "turn over the intellectual property, if you want to manufacturer here" rules are market distorting and unfair.

3. Theft of intellectual property is market distorting and unfair.

4. Government subsidized loans and  are market distorting and unfair.

5. State capitalism is a threat to regular capitalism and is market distorting and unfair.

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 07, 2019

Earlier in the thread you said that China had:

17% tariffs against US and other foreign made video surveillance

You can't seriously hyperventilate about China's 17% and call that "such high tariffs" while also saying that US's 25% tariffs are fine. Last I checked, 25% is higher than 17%. 

why does China

The CPC is willing to make an economic mistake for a political gain - that's why the "Made in China 2020" policy works - for now. China doesn't care about the economic cost, the CPC cares about the political costs of China falling into the middle income trap. The CPC desperately wants to hold onto its power.

if tariffs are so bad

Tariffs are generally pro-producer and anti-consumer., but the type of good that is getting a tariff does change the equation a little. Placing a tariff on a low cost consumer good hurts consumers and economies more than on a high priced item because consumer electronics have high price elasticity.

This means that the US's version of the tariff (which is mostly on consumer goods - I'm not not really commenting on camera systems here) will harm its lower income population's purchasing power a rather large amount - and they don't have spare purchasing power to make up the difference. The 25% tariff will absolutely reduce demand on consumer electronics. 

Meanwhile, China is taxing its wealthiest individuals, who have excess capital that is often unspent, in a much, much smaller capacity. Outside the surveillance industry, which doesn't neatly fit in these boxes, Chinese tariffs probably won't even translate to GDP loss or harm to American brands as luxury and prestige goods tend to have inverse price elasticity. 

The types of products facing a tariff matter. The US is placing additional taxes on items know to have a correlative relationship between low price and more sales. China is placing additional taxes on items known to have the inverse relationship. 

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thomas worthington
May 07, 2019
Kings III of America

John:

Fair?  I do not care about Fair.  The tariff payment is paid by Americans to the USA government.  You act as if China pays this Tariff.

A tariff is a Tax.  Americans pay for this, not China.  Do you know how Tariffs work?  An overnight increase from 10% to 25% on goods does not hurt China.  It hurts installers like us and consumers like our customers. What China taxes on it's imports is their choice and hurts their citizens.

It seems you encourage Common Americans and consumers being taxed.  Why not increase tariffs to 50%?  Maybe more? 

Your bias shines bright, but I am not a fan of being taxed.  Let me make a decision as a consumer, leave big Government tactics out of it.

 

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thomas worthington
May 05, 2019
Kings III of America

As an American company that installs cameras,  I am anti tarrifs.  It hurts our business and hurts consumers.

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May 07, 2019

please pardon me if I don't care a whit about how tariffs might impact those American companies that have ridden the Hikua Express all over the US for the last few years.

they participated directly in the decline of margins for everyone else in the industry, and now they are whining when the pendulum swings back and wrecks what they built?

boo fricken hoo. 

 

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May 07, 2019

Maybe you should talk about yourself

not about "everyone else in the industry"

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May 07, 2019

thanks for the tip

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thomas worthington
May 07, 2019
Kings III of America

Thanks for your concerns. 

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Joseph Marotta
May 07, 2019
IPVMU Certified

OKAY, SO.... if I may circle back to my original post that kicked this all off, ... IF I understand correctly:

*  SCW's cameras were once OEM'd by Hikvision but are now made by Uniview.

*  The NVR is OEM'd by Uniview with Uniview's VMS software.

*  SCW has created their own VMS software currently in Beta test and will be released very shortly.

Someone please correct the above points if I'm in error.

It certainly wasn't my intent to start a Nationality-War, Culture-War, or Tariff-War. (There's only 1 race on this planet, the "human race" so I won't say Race-War.) At least we didn't start a "Dragon-Wars D-War" (cheesy 2007 movie by Korean comedian Hyung-rae Shim)!

I truly appreciate Mr. Nederlanden, John Honovich, and everyone else's input and insight. Thank you all. IPVM is a great resource.

I now return you to the TARIFF-WARS T-WAR!  :^P

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Matthew Nederlanden
May 07, 2019

Hey Joseph,

Yes, you are largely correct about the tech, yes. 

Our in-house CMS is in open beta now, so you should be able to take it for a spin if you want - even before you purchase. The VMS software created by our partners is also always available on our site, if you would rather use that. 

As a retailer / distributor, we really focus on the customer service and technical support aspects of our role. If you would like a free floor plan created or any help with the purchasing process, we would be very happy to help. We also are very actively engaged post-sale and have a ~90% reorder rate, specifically because of our support policies, like advance replacement and networking assistance. We would love to help you with network setup, getting the cameras to work with VLANs or subnets, proper setup and configuration or anything else. 

I wasn't able to find out if you were a end user or a industry insider, but if you are a licensed technician, feel free to join our Trusted Installer program.

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